A conversation has been happening on the God’s Politics blog that Sojurners does on the issue of New Monasticism and Diversity. The conversation has been interesting, and super important, but I find it at least a little disheartening.
You can check out that conversation here.
It’s a bit weird in how it’s set up, but its basically an archive of all the blog posts, with the beginning blog that incited the conversation at the bottom of the page.
And here is the comment I wrote on the most recent blog, Beilers’ “Will Christians Lead or Follow on Questions of Diversity?”. It pretty much sums up why I find the conversation, though valuable, disheartening:
“I just recently picked up on this conversation, I often find myself too busy to keep up with blogs, but I’m glad I’ve stumbled upon this conversation, so much so that I’d even like to put in my two cents.
First of all, I’m thrilled that this conversation is being had! Too often, I think, we assume that the new monastics, in their radicalness, are ahead of the game in issues of diversity–and many times that may be so… but not necessarily, and this conversation seems to point out the complexities of this issue of diversity—what defines reconciliation, who defines it, how do minority communities feel, etc…..
One wrench I would like to throw into this conversation is the expanse of which we define diversity. I have been disheartened (but not at all surprised) that the scope of our notions of diversity have centered on racial and ethnic issues. Now, to be fair, the thread IS called New Monasticism and race, and I think that race is a VASTLY important issue, especially in light of what the NM movement is trying to do.
Yet I think this post Belier, and others who’ve posted, have rightly asked what diversity means and how far it reaches–what about economic diversity, about more nuanced ethnic diversity (it goes beyond black and white!)–what about women as leaders within the new monastic community. One of the bloggers drew our attention that most of the people in the limelight in the NM conversation are white males. This is problematic–not only because of the white part, but the male part as well……
But, I’m frustrated with Beiler, and with ALL the other posts and comments on this whole long thread. Not ONCE is sexual orientation mentioned. If we are going to speak of diversity, isn’t it fair to speak of all the ways in which diversity is manifested? To leave out a major category of diversity is to reproduce a hegemony.
Now, I know the whole gay question is one a lot of people aren’t comfortable with…. its something people believe is wrong, or that they’re unsure and uncomfortable about. Fair enough.
But, like it or not, there are gay and lesbian (and bi, and transgendered, etc…) Christians who care about the same things many new monastics do and who feel entirely abandoned by the NM movement. I’m one of them.
I’m not asking that everyone agree (though that would be nice, or that people stop struggling with this significant theological issue—but know that its more than an issue, and that there are some of us who are now struggling in a different way (not with integrating our sexuality and our faith, but with dealing with the Christian community that ignores or rejects us), and getting very exhausted by continually being left out of the conversation. Many of us were so excited when the New Monastic movement started—FINALLY, we thought, there is going to be a movement that cares about the radical things we care about–about social justice, about reconciliation, about Christian community. And, in many of ways, we were right. But, we didn’t expect that we weren’t going to be invited to the table.
I found the title of this blog post very illuminating–Will Christians Lead or Follow on Questions of Diversity? Sure, we’ve finally gotten around to talking about racial reconciliation—something many thoughtful people have been doing for a long time. But, the struggle for LGBT equality (or even voice) has been happening for a long time, yet gets nearly ignored in these conversations–in this case, completely ignored.
I worry that the answer to Beiler’s question is that we are following. I hope that this is not the case, and that, regardless of our personal beliefs, we can let ALL of those who have been ignored and marginalized into the conversation.”

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October 16, 2008 at UTC3310UTC p20082531UTC16:
Brian
I’m excited to see you bring the discussion over here (there’s a new post at GP about the same time as this one!). I too have been following the God’s Politics blog in general and the New Monasticism thread in particular and have likewise been disheartened that sexual orientation is largely absent from the discussion of diversity and justice.
I have noticed the way in which many NM speak about gay people is markedly different than the way explicitly anti-gay Christians speak about them, but I’ve also yet to hear “being gay is not a sin” be said in public. It reminds me of the line Jay Bakker tried to walk before him he fully and publicly supported LGBT people.
If we believe that New Monastics hearts in the right place–and I do–and if we believe that they understand and passionately pursue justice–which I do–and if we believe that they are committed to a reconciled Body of Christ–which I do–then I trust that justice for LGBT people in the New Monastic movement is on its way.
As you know, if one part of the body is hurting, the whole body is hurt.
October 16, 2008 at UTC5610UTC p20083331UTC16:
Brian
I have more!
What can we do to change this? Do we seek to get involved with the work of New Monastics in our area? Do we relocate to existing NM communities? Do we begin our own communities within the NM movement? I would love to hear what people who are interested in NM have been up to.
October 17, 2008 at UTC1210UTC p20083231UTC17:
Eliacin
Hi Brandi,
My names is Eliacin. I am one of the “conversants” at The New Monasticism and Race thread of blog posts. Your point is well taken and a very necessary one. While I mentioned the issues of gender, I failed to mentioned the issue of sexual orientation. Once again, as a person of color, I committed the same sin of exclusion to my LGBTsisters and brothers. Even though this is an area I am usually outspoken about full embrace.
One of my concerns is the fact that the whole new monastic phenomena is been framed among the evangelical side of the american church, which is for the most part hetero-white-male oriented. As I mentioned in my post at God’s politics – there are no voiceless, but only loud white-males muffling the voice of the other. We might be in need of a different forum in which to discuss and bring to live LGBT, people of color and other “Others” whom are practitioners and embracing monasticism in a new way.
Paz y esperanza,
Eliacin
October 17, 2008 at UTC1310UTC p20083531UTC17:
Brian
Over at God’s Politics, sexism and the need for women leaders was listed in a post of suggestions for the NM movement: http://www.sojo.net/blog/godspolitics/?p=3028
Enjoy!
October 17, 2008 at UTC1210UTC p20082231UTC17:
Brandy
Thanks Brian!!
I just threw in my two cents about the gays as a comment on that post too
October 19, 2008 at UTC4110UTC p20084431UTC19:
Brandy
Eliacin,
First of all, thanks for the comment! I appreciate it!
Also, I think you make a great point… that’s something I struggle with… I think Brian framed it well, do we get involved in current NM work, or start something new? I worry about the ramifications on both sides… on one hand, going into a different forum will give us more of a voice to be heard… but then, is that preaching to the choir? Isn’t this something that current NM leaders need to hear about and struggle with? But is it an effective method? I’m not sure….
::Shrug::
November 5, 2008 at UTC3611UTC p20085930UTC05:
Br. Kenneth
Luckily, NM is not the only movement out there restoring monasticism. As has been the nature of Religious Orders over the past few millennia, Orders can form by just a few people coming together in community and prayer and setting an example for a prayerful way of life. Though I’m apart of a relatively new Relgious Order in the Episcopal Church, I had not heard of NM until only recently. That being said, if NM isn’t supportive or willing to tactle questions of full inclusion, then challenge then but also keep looking around. Monastic Orders are spouting up everywhere, and if you find a dirth where you live, well, maybe that’s you’re invitation to start you own.
Good luck and God’s Peace.
January 15, 2009 at UTC3901UTC p20094931UTC15:
adin
does anyone know of a glbtq-friendly new monastic community in san francisco?
i’d thought i’d found one but otday learned that they don’t “bless same-sex unions”. So, ultimately, i know i wouldn’t be happy with them.
if there are none in san francisco, are there any people who are interested in beginning a community?
May 10, 2009 at UTC0105UTC p20094631UTC10:
Charles
Please contact me at ckruger123@gmail.com. I also encountered a “new monastic” community in SF — when I talked about being gay, I was ushered discretely out the back door by one of the senior members! It was humiliating and shocking. Even disgusting.
I am an oblate of a traditional Catholic monastery. I am interested in beginning a community.
March 29, 2010 at UTC5403UTC p20104031UTC29:
shandon
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God bless you!