We had another one of our meetings, up in the attic of the little coffee shop we’ve all spent so much time in lately, and C was kind enough to share with us a little of her knowledge about the law, and how it relates to those of us in the LGBT community. I didn’t notice this, and I suppose it was because my own eyes had glazed over a bit themselves, but on our way out, the girl that I am dating mentioned how all of our faces got a sort of blank, glazed look on them about half way into the updates on marriage (we still can’t get married, and probably won’t be able to for some time now) and getting kicked out of our respective institutions (they still can kick us out, and probably will be able to for some time now).
Now don’t get me wrong, I am deeply grateful for the information C provided us with, because how can we even begin to hope to change situations if we don’t even know what the situations really are. But it was hard, because I forget. After having spent my entire life with most opportunities available to me (and my deep thanks go to the feminist movement for that), I keep forgetting that it is really not the case anymore. And it is incredibly hard to remember that I am supposed to be grateful now when people make some sort of response to me that indicates they are still going to recognize my humanity, even though I’m a lesbian. I forget that for them, recognizing my humanity is often a big and gracious step that they view as pretty radical, and all I seem to be able to remember is that I have been alive my entire life, and so my humanity does not seem all that radical to me.
And so sometimes, I get angry inside, even when they are trying their hardest to be kind and generous. Take, for example, my roommate the other night. Now, I have been overwhelmed with gratitude as how accepting she has been of me since I came out to her, and I really am truly, deeply grateful, but a couple of nights ago we were just joking around in the kitchen with my little dog, and I told her: “I really am glad it turned out that you like my dog, because it would have been really terrible if you didn’t!” And she laughed and replied: “yeah, but what you should be really grateful for is that I’m not a homophobe, that would have been terrible.” And she is right, and I am grateful… I just forget sometimes. Ok, I forget a lot of the times… because I am just not used to having my dignity be such a tenuous thing, up for debate at almost every turn.
As we were leaving the coffee shop after Sunday’s meeting, the girl that I am dating mentioned how the whole time we had all been sitting up there, looking a little defeated and numb around the edges, she’d had this song from Rent playing in her head… the one that goes, over and over again, “Will I lose my dignity, will someone care? Will I wake tomorrow, from this nightmare?” And so that song ran through my head the rest of the day, and the two of us have been singing it intermittently ever since, because I think on some level, that is the question we are all asking: Will we lose our dignity? And if and when that happens, will someone care? If I do decide to start a family one day, will it ever be recognized and protected by the law? What happens if my school decides that I no longer have a place at their table, and where will I go if they force me to leave? Will people ever understand the cutting potential of their careless words when they make assumptions about how my sexuality must necessarily mean that I have lost something of the innocence and potential they once saw in me?
The truth is that I think the answer is yes, at some point, we will all lose our dignity in ways that will be startlingly painful. And yet, we have shown that even in the midst of all if this, in the face of opposition and criticism and persecution, we will not lose our faith….and I have to believe that that is something. In fact, I really believe that it is everything.

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December 6, 2007 at UTC0012UTC p20070631UTC06:
msdimmesdale
well said.
December 6, 2007 at UTC1012UTC p20075331UTC06:
Alina
Rent has been known to have that effect on people!
December 6, 2007 at UTC2312UTC p20071531UTC06:
A
There are times when you are able to take an entire emotion, and entire feeling, an entire state, and put it in words for me. And then I can recognize what it is that I’ve been trying to express. Like this post. Thanks, D.
Let’s not forget that the deepest dignity that we have is not granted by humans, but by a being above the influence of humanity. S/He grants us something so much more profound, so much richer. Remind me of that the next time I doubt. But also remember that you can’t lose that dignity and self-worth. Ever.
December 7, 2007 at UTC2912UTC p20071631UTC07:
Phil
*Warning brutal honesty is about to ensue*
I thought our Sunday meeting was a bit of a downer. Is anyone else getting tired of setting around and playing the victim? Seriously. Now before you pick up your torches and pitch forks let me explain. It is definitely true that as a group of people we face some unique and difficult challenges and I certainly have a great desire to see the LGBT community become loved and affirmed or at least better understood by society as a whole. That being said, I don’t think I should have to be grateful when someone still recognizes my humanity in light of the fact that they found out that I’m gay and quite frankly, I am getting tired of be shocked when they do! This is not to say that I am not thankful when I see progress and evolution of thoughts and ideas because indeed I am. Particularly those Philosophical changes of thought that bring us to better understandings of God. But grateful?
You see some times I think we can perpetuate our own problems. I don’t go around throwing my sexuality in people’s faces. I’m just trying to live here. Live and love and grow. I am existing and that’s not a new human experience. When we (the LGBT community) constantly sit around and talk and obsess about all the ways in which we are oppressed, disliked, misunderstood, different etc., we give them (our opposers) some of our power and well dignity. In a since we legitimize their thoughts and actions. If we truly thought that their beliefs were ridiculous then we wouldn’t be talking and obsessing about them all the time. It’s not healthy. In fact I think it is a sign of our own discomfort with who we are….And so we let the message slowly seep in…you’re not normal…there’s something wrong with you…you need to constantly prove your worth.
Do you believe God created you gay? Was it His intent that you live as a homosexual? He certainly created and intended some of us to be women or to be of a particular ethnic back ground. Are we not His image bearers? Do we not each one of us have something to reveal of God to this world? Would it be alright if women cursed God for making them women because of the difficulties they have faced at the hands of humanity? Should our black brethren hate God for not making them white? Does God not see you as beautifully and wonderfully made? I think it is to spit in God’s face to sit around and complain about who we were created to be even if it means we will meet adversity. In the same way man rejects God so will man reject man. It is perverse to call something bad that God has called good. A self loathing is a kind of God-loathing.
So I ask the group…What is our purpose? What are we meeting every other week for? Is this just a support group to help us get through all the shit we go through as gays? I hope not. Many of you I would like to befriend on a much deeper level, not as my gay friends but rather as my friends who happen to be gay…like me. Being gay is not the most important thing about any of us but I would like to explore the things that are most important. We all have essentially two things in common…we’re gay and we profess to having a faith in Jesus Christ…these two things alone won’t make us close friends. Don’t get me wrong, I know bad things happen sometimes and we may need to process with people who can empathize. We should be able to bring that to the group if needed.
But…Is that all we will be?
~ Phil
December 7, 2007 at UTC5112UTC p20072831UTC07:
A
I know this is a very short response to a very long post, Phil.
But, this is why we do what we do. Because I, for a total of 4 hours a month, want to talk about issues regarding LGBT stuff. Because I can’t just bring up personal things when they occur, and support others when “shit happens.” Yeah, I think we need that for sure. But I can guarantee that early feminists did not collapse under weighty or disheartening things. It might seem like we make ourselves out to be victimized, but that’s an argument often used against any minority. It’s just another loud voice (read: majority) saying “QUIET! You aren’t the norm and no one cares – just live and let live.” The bad news is that things don’t change without dissenters. I’m willing to be one until things do change. Here’s a reason why:
News from yesterday
http://www.365gay.com/Newscon07/12/120507iran.htm
December 7, 2007 at UTC2912UTC p20072531UTC07:
C
Well,
I see what everyone is saying. To be Honest… I want a sort of harmony between the two ideas….When we need to vent this group is a great way to do that…. But I also would love to talk about life with the group (not just the part of my life that relates to sexuality). I want to have friends who support me and care about all of me… Not just the gay parts (hehe).
“but on our way out, the girl that I am dating mentioned how all of our faces got a sort of blank, glazed look on them about half way into the updates on marriage”
I noticed this D. I loved the RENT tie in.
Phil… Valid point…*Warning brutal honesty is about to ensue*
A…… I totally see what you are saying… but I prefer my harmony approach I mentioned above.
Im sleepy now! night Night!
~c
December 7, 2007 at UTC3312UTC p20072531UTC07:
"C"
Y’know Phil… I think you just brought something into focus for me. I’ve been spending awhile kicking myself since that meeting, since I realized that discussing the current legal status of GLBT folks was depressing people… I’ve wondered what was wrong with me that I didn’t see those painful, glazed looks in peoples’ eyes, wondering if perhaps living in the strange world of the law hadn’t numbed me, made me less compassionate, somehow less human… but I’ve come to a different conclusion as to why, even though I spend time every day reading about the injustice inflicted on people like us, or just man’s inhumanity to man in general, it isn’t a downer to me… why I can be surrounded by injustice, and it just doesn’t touch me sometimes.
A few years ago, while I was interning for the Log Cabin Republicans (a group that daily takes the brunt of hatred, believe you me), the executive director asked me to look up the source of a quote he wanted to use in a speech – and that quote has stuck with me ever since. “Hope has two beautiful daughters; their names are Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to see that they do not remain the way they are.” St. Augustine. I know how easy, and how tempting, it is to give in to despair – but I believe that despair is, in fact, the ultimate sin, because giving up like that means denying the Hope that we have in Christ. I hold on to that hope with all I have in me – often, it is all I have, this strange Christian hope which is more certainty than wishfulness.
I know that God created this world, that He called it good, and though it is now fallen, His Son has done all that is needed to redeem it – and I know His kingdom will come – that the brokenness, the injustice, the cruelty of this world is not the way it is supposed to be. I see the injustice in the law, and I know it’s wrong – but rather than feeling hopeless despair, I just feel anger at the perversity of it… and I find, because perfect love casts out all fear, the same perfect love which comes only from the Author of my Hope, that I have the courage to face that injustice every day – that it has no power over me to cause fear or despair – because, really, I know that the forces which impose the injustice have already lost. Death has already been beaten, and sin has been conquered – so what is there to be depressed about? What is there to be afraid of? Absolutely nothing.
This isn’t to say that the reality of the world’s injustice doesn’t suck, that it doesn’t hurt, or that the depression isn’t real. I feel that sometimes. It’s part of why I joined this group in the first place – because sometimes, in my weakness, I need a little support, and people to talk to who can remind me of that Hope. This is just a reminder, like that given to the church at Philadelphia in Revelations, to endure patiently, to hold on to the Hope that comes in His name, and that a day will come when all will know that He has loved us. The nightmare will end with the coming of the Dawn. Until then, we do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with our Lord.
December 7, 2007 at UTC0912UTC p20074331UTC07:
Alina
on a lighter note:
i think a good way to get our minds off of our “oppression” is pinkberry! seriously, as soon as you take the first bite, all of your troubles and worries are behind you… next group meeting perhaps…?
December 7, 2007 at UTC3412UTC p20074731UTC07:
Phil
I hope no one thinks that I am trying to silence or censor anyone because that is not my intention at all. Really.
“A”
“It might seem like we make ourselves out to be victimized, but that’s an argument often used against any minority. It’s just another loud voice (read: majority) saying “QUIET! You aren’t the norm and no one cares – just live and let live.” The bad news is that things don’t change without dissenters.”
I understand what you’re saying and you’re absolutely right that things don’t change without dissenters. I believe that where things need to be challenged and changed, they should be. However who do we reach when we talk amongst ourselves? Who’s mind are we changing or opening? Sure sometimes talking these issues through provides clarity of thought but do most of us not see the issues? As a woman I don’t sit among other women and constantly talk about the ways we are mistreated. Have I had those conversations? Sure, but not every time that I am with a group of women…And it is not just that times have “changed”.
It is wonderful being in a group of people who know about my sexual orientation and are not only cool about it but understand it. Of course gay topics are going to come up, we’re all gay!… But will we leave these encounters feeling refreshed and encouraged or deflated? What I’m talking about is a spirit of negativism…an agenda…And it’s not just a matter of growing a tougher skin.
I feel more fully understood and excepted as a whole by some of my straight friends then I do some my gay ones because what makes me most valuable to them (my gay friends) is that I’m gay. We are in danger of compartmentalizing each other.
I want to love and embrace each one of you for all that God created you to be not just the part of you that I can relate to. What a valuable opportunity for growth I would miss if I didn’t. How will I see God in each one of you?…and what a blessing that will be to me.
Sincerely,
~ Phil
December 7, 2007 at UTC3112UTC p20070931UTC07:
Ms Dimmesdale
pinkberry?
December 7, 2007 at UTC1812UTC p20075731UTC07:
C
Phil….
“I feel more fully understood and excepted as a whole by some of my straight friends then I do some my gay ones because what makes me most valuable to them (my gay friends) is that I’m gay. We are in danger of compartmentalizing each other.”
I feel this way sometimes.
~c
P.S. I’m that there are Two C’s… how will we ever tell us apart? lol
December 7, 2007 at UTC2012UTC p20075931UTC07:
Phil
Apparently pinkberry is really yummy yogurt…that I have never tasted
December 7, 2007 at UTC5612UTC p20074931UTC07:
D
First and foremost, pinkberry is delicious, and I concur… it should be the cause of celebration at our next meeting.
Secondly, I personally have not left every meeting feeling deflated or defeated. In fact, this last week was the first time I have felt anything of the sort, and it is impossible to tease apart for me (and for many of us) whether that was related more to stress and finals, or to the direction the group is taking.
That being said, it may be beneficial for us all to talk about things we hope to see change and stay they same in future meetings… there was never an organized agenda for any of this… in my mind, it was just more like “hey, lets get together, and figure it out from there”
In past weeks, I have left feeling refreshed, and excited about the possibilities for change that exist when a group of people who share some important similarities, as well as plenty of beautiful differences, get together and say things like “hey, maybe this would be a little easier if we did it together. Maybe our future will look something like this: if you are going to speak at a small group, and are scared to do it alone, a couple of us will go with you….”
I certainly wouldn’t want this group to be a place in where people felt limited to talking about things related to being gay only… so I propose that next time we meet, we each make an effort to bring all of ourselves to the table, whatever that might look like.
As for meeting next weekend though, I know of at least three of us who will out of town Sunday.
Would anyone be up for a pinkberry/gamenight next friday night (a week from today?) maybe lighten things up a bit… I could have everyone over to my place…
December 7, 2007 at UTC3112UTC p20074831UTC07:
C
I WOULD LOVE A PINKBERRY GAME NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!
~chris
December 7, 2007 at UTC3812UTC p20073631UTC07:
Casey
Sounds like fun – I’m game. Writing papers on a Friday night is practically a sin, after all. *grins*
December 7, 2007 at UTC1012UTC p20075431UTC07:
Phil
Game night? You don’t know what you have just asked.
I just think everyone should know that I’ve been to a game night with Casey before and she will probably kick all your asses.
How exciting.
Thanks D.
December 7, 2007 at UTC3412UTC p20071931UTC07:
A
PINKBERRY! GAMES!
Bwahaha. yes, yes yes,
December 7, 2007 at UTC3412UTC p20075031UTC07:
Casey
Hey now, Phil – no need to be scarin’ folks off me! I’m good with language-type-stuff, sure – I’d be in trouble if I wasn’t – but if it has anything to do with pop culture, I’m doomed. It’s all about the game. Besides, by then, I’ll be almost at the end of finals, and if my brain isn’t comparable to cauliflower, I’ll be surprised. *grins*
December 7, 2007 at UTC0112UTC p20072231UTC07:
Phil
December 7, 2007 at UTC3012UTC p20073831UTC07:
Ms Dimmesdale
umm… i’d like to second the pop culture disadvantage.
December 7, 2007 at UTC1912UTC p20072131UTC07:
Alina
game night sounds really good, i see the direction that we are moving towards, aaaaand i like it. but, i for one am NOT going to be put on a team with Phil!!! i’d rather eat cat vomit…
December 7, 2007 at UTC0512UTC p20071631UTC07:
D
hmm, I don’t have a cat… but i do have a dog, how about dog vomit?
Just kidding… I am up for any games, as long as we sneak in a round of my personal favorite… Apples to Apples… i am no good at all when it comes to pop culture, but give me a game where I can show off my sarcastic sense of humor, and its on!
December 7, 2007 at UTC4612UTC p20074231UTC07:
Ms Dimmesdale
you, sarcastic?
December 8, 2007 at UTC2112UTC p20073631UTC08:
Alina
pop culture is the only kind of game i am good at… um, what is apples to apples, never heard of it?
i found this very interesting-read the description.
http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2627189#prod_prodinfo
apparently girls are good at buying malls, shopping and text messaging! huh, who knew…
December 8, 2007 at UTC3112UTC p20071631UTC08:
Phil
*Roll song “Eye of the Tiger”*
My Dearest Alina,
I had no idea it was your intention to be completely annihilated on game night. As always though, your wish is my command.
What is that familiar smell?… Ah, yes FEAR! I must say though, I never thought you would be omitting that horrible odor. This is highly unfortunate. Since when did you become afraid of tasting freshly drawn blood? How many times have I told you, “We know we’ve got them, when we can see the whites of their eyes!”? Careful Alina, your whites are beginning to show. You do realize don’t you that the opposite of being my teammate is being my opponent? A position not for the faint of heart.
So yes…indeed I do have a hardy competitive spirit, tis’ better to win with my dear.
May you be a worthy opponent.
~ Phil
December 8, 2007 at UTC0512UTC p20071331UTC08:
Alina
Phil, i think you showed showed everyone that you are crazy
December 12, 2007 at UTC5712UTC p20075631UTC12:
unknownpoet
agreed. well said.
and, to be honest i love reading your blog. i just find so much insight within your honesty and vulnerability.
thanks.
for existing.
in life, and on the web.
December 17, 2007 at UTC0212UTC p20072031UTC17:
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